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Hässlich/Reapers/Trolls Edit

There's some controversy over terminology. An IP editor has changed the species of Hulda and Reaper from Troll to Hässlich. I think that the Hässlich are a group of trolls. I think that's what NBC has told us. Back about the middle of February, I proposed merging [[Reapers (Group)]] with Hässlich. There have been no responses and I'm getting ready to roll. Comments please.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 14:57, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Amen. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:06, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Executing and renaming "Reapers (Group)" to Reapers, which I'm leaving as a redirect.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 19:21, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

German Vowels Edit

I've added those "pesty" German vowels (Ä ä Ö ö Ü ü) to the MediaWiki:Edittools. That's the box that comes up when you click on the plus sign below the word "more" while in edit mode. I haven't seen any use for the capital letters, but they're there.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 01:18, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

The capital ones are used in nouns and in Österreich (Austria). I just added the ess-tzett, the German punctuation marks, and some German and other popular currency symbols, just in case they come in handy. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)}05:33, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

But we could easily do with ae for ä and ue for ü and oe for ö. Its how Email ids are also donoe for such names in Germany.

Rubelle (talk) 05:13, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

The other Grimm Wiki Edit

Hello guys, while browsing some profile pages of recent contributors to our wiki I found out Grimmival has the Grimm wiki listed twice under his favorite wikis list. When I click on one of the links, it went to grimmaccess.wikia.com. The name (not the url) is exactly the same as ours, Grimm Wiki. He is the creator and there is only 28 pages on it.

I am not trying to make anyone upset, especially not Grimmival. I just think he should rename it. Like to the Grimm Wiki Fansite or something. The only reason I am bringing this up is that it could be confused with this wiki. What do you think? [1] ~Artiepenguin Contribs Talk to Artie! 03:18, 04 April 2012 (UTC)

Since Grimmival is an editor here and bureaucrat over on the other wiki, he'd like to share his goals for the other wiki with us.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 12:33, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Article make-up. Edit

Alright, I'm new, not sure how this all works, but I've been browsing the pages (correcting a few typos here and there) and I noticed that the tense in pretty much all the articles differs, sometimes it's past tense, sometimes present- sometimes even both in one article. Wouldn't it be neater (and easier on the eyes and brain) if it was all the same? Might be just me not being a native English speaker... Unwrought (talk) 21:35, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

We lack a specific policy. Theoretically, episode pages should be in the literary present. Other pages should be in simple past tense. We have not done a good job of enforcing this concept.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 22:04, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Episode TitlesEdit

I vote that we can name episode articles their actual titles (instead of things like [[Episode 37]]) for episodes even if their title isn't revealed through NBC or another reliable non-spoiler site, but a "spoiler" site that is usually correct on this sort of thing. A lot of other wikis that don't want spoilers still allow episode titles to be revealed. IceTalk 01:22,1/24/2013

I think including real titles, even if they later prove to be incorrect and have to be changed, is not a bad idea. Titles rarely spoil the plot.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 01:34, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, we can always change it if the title is incorrect. ~Leodix ^{(talk • contribs • pictures)} 05:43, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Fine with me. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 10:10, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I think we have a consensus. Episode titles may be posted when revealed by a source deemed reliable by the Grimm editor.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 02:18, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Season Villains Edit

Okay are there any disagreements with the inclusion of a category stating the charter is a villain, or what season they where a villain in? I personally see no reason for disagreement with this, so what does every else think on the idea? General MGD 109 (talk) 19:25, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think these categories are really needed. I don't think anyone has even been called a villain on the show. IceTalk 00:43,1/28/2013

Well your right, no charaters have been ever called villains (considering the show isn't aimed at children) but you can't denie that there are charaters who take the role of the antagonist, ever single episode has them, up to date they all have, and they all will, granted there are more sympthatic antagonists or tragic antagonists, or antagonists that aren't really antagonists, but the point is they all take the role of the villain. So why not group them all together? After all we group charaters on there race, there possition in the cast, and how minor they are, so why not group the evil ones together? After talking to Raptorwiki, I agree that seasonal villians might be a bit redundate, but villians themselves aren't. General MGD 109 (talk) 15:32, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Writer of Authorized Grimm Novel asking Edit

Hi I'm John Shirley, I've been hired by Titan Books and NBC to write the authorized Grimm novel. It's about 40% done. Anyway, NBC is not making it a priority to answer my questions...I actually suspect some producer there is just not getting around to checking his email from the publisher...and while I have watched all the available shows, read many of the scripts and gleaned much from this wiki and wikipedia, I was hoping you Grimm experts could give me some solid data on one or two things...trouble is the production is keeping some of it kind of vague, I suspect on purpose.But is it clear to you that Juliette knows (or doesn't know) that Nick is a Grimm...and about Wesen? I inferred that she was aware already but perhaps not... It's a bit murky... I know that Hank is aware of it all... What's the full name of that council that keeps Wesen sticking to the code, anyone know? I heard it tonight but couldn't quite make out what was said... Novelists are kind of far down the food chain where TV networks are concerned... I used to write television too, and sometimes write tv animation. I may write live action again. I wrote an episode of Deep Space Nine. I also co-wrote the movie The Crow if you're a fan of that.

John Shirley

Http:www.john-shirley.com has all the info on me, or enough. you can also find a wikipedia entry on me. I didn't write it but last I looked it seemed pretty accurate.Writer Authorized GrimmNovel (talk) 05:31, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

To get the name of the council, just watch the episode on NBC.com or Hulu tomorrow and turn on the captions. IceTalk 05:34,3/16/2013

oh captions, well I may do that if I can't find out another way, thanks. This thing is confusing. Don't see how to respond to other people's topics. I was going to talk about Renard's hexenbiest thing (he definitely is). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Writer Authorized GrimmNovel (talk • contribs)

Just do what you did to respond to this. Click edit by the section's name and go to the bottom of the conversation and respond. Make sure you sign your posts by putting ~~~~ though. IceTalk 05:46,3/16/2013

BTW, the captioning on Grimm is pretty good. (There's another series I follow where if you look at the captioning, you'd think you were reading an alien language made up of English words.) As to Juliette, unless she saw something in her coma that we're not aware of, I don't think she knows about/remembers Grimms and Wesen yet but she's edging closer. Last night's final scene was "interesting." I haven't done the rewatch yet, so I can't tell you the council's name but I wouldn't be surprised if a page for it shows up in the next couple of days.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 15:08, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

thanks for that folks - more later -

71.202.210.136 21:57, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I put the spelling of the code in the continuity section of "Natural Born Wesen". IceTalk 23:48,3/16/2013

Juliette has heard the word Grimm (Bud said that Nick was a Grimm in "Quill") but does not know about Wesen or know what a Grimm is, as of "One Angry Fuchsbau"

Dragonfighter1 (talk) 08:36, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Gesetzbuch Ehrenkodex Edit

So, just this little jewel get a page? Is it part of the mythology? Is it an object? An event? What about the Council (De Groot's group)?--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 00:58, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I think it may deserve a page... it's an unwritten code, but it's very important in the Wesen world. And the council have a page (The Wesen Council) IceTalk 01:05,3/17/2013

Ya got ahead of me!<grin>--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 01:07, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead and make a page for the code. Hopefully we'll get more info about it in future episodes. IceTalk 01:09,3/17/2013

Collapsible Episode/Character Lists Edit

Infoboxes can get very long when there are a lot of line entries. I think we need to concept/idea about when the list of episodes a character/location/object has appeared or been referenced and the same for characters that are associated with (primarily) a place. I'd rather not think of it as a "rule." comments?--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 18:13, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

IncarceratedEdit

What do you think about an "Incarcerated" icon, guys? Just like the "Dead Icon" we already have (Template:D). Several of the Wesen we see in the show, are criminals in jail or deads. --Grimmopedia (talk) 15:01, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

I like that idea, we should create one. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:32, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Depends on what the icon looks like. Have any ideas? IceTalk 21:41,4/13/2013

Bars? General MGD 109 (talk) 21:49, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Are we going to assume that a Wesen who lived and was never seen again is in the slammer? I offer Billy Capra as a possible exception.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 22:01, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Considering Nick's a cop, then unless its stated they got away, yes there either locked up, or dead. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:04, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

What about something like this? http://i.imgur.com/RKaT0ZN.png IceTalk 22:15,4/13/2013

Never mind, the white background makes it look bad. IceTalk 22:16,4/13/2013

Exactly, handcuffs but without background. Or might be a portland police badge? Grimmopedia (talk) 01:42, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Good idea, but anyone know how to edit an image by photoshop deleting the background? I can't xD ~Leodix ^{(talk • contribs • pictures)} 04:39, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Or, if we can't photoshop the background out, we could use Paint.Net or MSPaint to color in the background with the matching color of all the page.

Toast Talk My Wesen Grimm 12:37,4/17/2013

I know how to use photoshop. Just tell me what the plan is and I'll start working on it. Anita95 (talk) 07:02, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Here is a photo of handcuffs without background, http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/File:Handcuff.png Anita95 (talk) 17:32, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Classification scheme Edit

As many of you have noticed, we're trying a classification scheme again for the Wesen. This was tried once before but failed; since I wasn't involved with the first go-around, I am not sure what flaws became its demise. The scheme I've set up over the last week or so is intended to be of use to everyone, be they casual browsers or scientists who are passionate about zoology and want something more technical.

To start things off, each Wesen that we are able to classify has been assigned to a category. For example, Blutbad and Coyotl have both been assigned to Canine Wesen. This, along with Feline Wesen and Bovine Wesen might seem intuitive to most of us, but the average Wikian might not understand that foxes are not canines but rather are vulpines and will be found in Vulpine Wesen, and also may have difficulties figuring out its placement in the classification scheme. Thanks to opinions expressed by my non-zoologist fellow admins for pointing this out!

Here's what you need to know to effectively browse through these categories:

If you are a zoologist, you're set. Category navigation is as simple as browsing through the phylogenetic tree.
If, like most Wikians, you are not, there are now some navboxes on all the taxon pages designed specifically for people like you. The navboxes have all the sciency gibberish replaced with common English words and a clickable thumbnail picture for quick recognition.

The navboxes omit several of the in-between categories, and may even save you a few clicks. If, however, you are interested in phylogeny and are looking for particular sets of taxa, the in-between categories are still included in the category structure.

A few ground rules:

Since the admins of this wiki generally hold a deletionist perspective on things, I advise against creating new categories for the classification scheme unless the category will contain at least two members, or unless the category will hold the "wastebasket" members left over from the creation of such a category. Bottom-level categories MUST be included in the navboxes and must be reachable using the navboxes.

Enjoy! Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:14, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Now, how would we classify Wesen such as Glühenvolk, which have reptilian skin yet show some primate behavior? Reptile, or primate? Toast Talk My Wesen Grimm 00:23,5/18/2013

And this is where we need to find ourselves a cryptozoologist. :) Anyone know one? Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:15, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well, to be a reptile, the organism has to be cold-blooded. We have no knowledge of what blood they have, warm or cold? Do they regulate their own body temperature? I think so, otherwise, why go to Alaska? Toast Talk My Wesen Grimm 01:43,5/18/2013

Not true; there are lots of warm-blooded sauropsids. All the dinosaurs that are still living today are warm-blooded, and it's thought that warm-blooded dinosaurs were the norm back in the Mesozoic. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:11, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Reptoids.com places them in the dinosaurs. Works for me. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:34, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Well, dinosaurs don't actually fit into a single classification that we know today. The fit into the groups Avian and Reptilian Toast Talk My Wesen Grimm 03:46,5/19/2013

Since when? Dinosaurs are archosaurs and include all birds. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:39, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, reptiles isn't an official classification anymore, as reptiles have been found to not be monophyletic. This should be reflected in wesen classification. Intelligence4 (talk)

Summaries Edit

Some of the character pages are getting long. I have summarized Wu's appearances for Season One and moved the details into a new page. If it's not a good idea, we will revert; I thought it was easier to demonstrate than explain. I picked Wu because he was easy. Comments, please.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 15:54, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I haven't put a category on the subpage yet.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 16:44, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think we really need subpages right now. Does it matter if a page gets long, as in is their a page size limit on wikia? IceTalk 17:46,5/19/2013

There's no limit, but sometimes longer pages can take a while to load.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 18:22, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I haven't had that problem. I thought it only took longer to load with lots of images. IceTalk 18:25,5/19/2013

In my experience, a page not loading due to its length depends more on the state of the computer. It can take longer to loader on any computer depending on the amount of files it has, like videos and images. Especially gifs. Toast Talk My Wesen Grimm 18:50,5/19/2013

Reverted.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 02:38, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Funny, I was just getting ready to post about this problem myself! Articles on this wiki should not be in episode-by-episode narrative format. Rather, they need to read like a regular Wikipedia article. Narratives such as the ones we've got on most character, Wesen, and episode articles are borderline copyright infringement, and should only summarize the important points. When possible, we should write in a prose style rather than an episodic narrative account. Remember, the wiki is a supplement to the series, not a replacement. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:30, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

New backdrop? Edit

Are we ready for a new backdrop? Seems with comic season having just started, a comic-oriented backdrop would be appropriate. Or we if we want to keep the television series the main focus, perhaps someone could throw something nice together with Photoshop...a cliffhanger-oriented one might be nice, featuring Eric, Adalind, Stefania, Samedi, and Sean-- the five characters that are at the "top of the food chain" right now. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:16, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

You should ask here for one to be made IceTalk 02:30,6/11/2013

Anyone have a preference for comic or cliffhanger themes for the summer? Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:10, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

With the comics currently only running to 5 issues (AFAIK), and no details of print run size I think that the backdrop should remain within the TV series. Dragonfighter1 (talk) 20:33, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

TimelineEdit

When do the comic books take place in relation to the episodes? In the episodes there never seems to be a break with enough time for Nick to travel to Europe to destroy the coins, but he does so in the comics...So far, I've been unable to find an answer and would love it if you guys could help me out. Intelligence4 (talk)

I have not read the comics, but if they take our stalwarts out of Portland, I'm beginning to think that they qualify as semi-canon, at best. Further, that means things like Kelly Burkhardt being held captive are also semi-canon. It is not easy to integrate a sub-plot into a major story line. If you're looking for a start point for a timeline, I'd say that TV Wesen that the comics version of the characters remember puts the comics timeframe after the episode in which that Wesen appeared. (If the characters discuss Glühenvolk, the time is after that in "Endangered".) If you wanted to start a timeline, I recommend starting a new page and linking to it from Timeline using the {{For}} template.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:15, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

I also have not read all the comics, and so can't estimate the length of time that they cover. There are, however plenty of "gaps" in the second series where a week or two is not covered once apart from the "Season of the Hexenbiest"- "Face Off"- "Natural Born Wesen" sequence. Obviously they have to take place after "Bad Moon Rising", but that is all. The other concern is the reason for their abscence from Portland, since in "Volcanalis" it is stated that Hank hasn't taken leave for four years. Dragonfighter1 (talk) 20:47, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

As best I can tell, they diverge from the television series either between Mr. Sandman and Volcanalis (per Hank's knowledge of Renard being a Hexenbiest, and Hank not being on crutches, Baron Samedi not being on the loose in Portland, and Nick being in a normal state of activity), or else part-way into season 3. Until evidence suggests otherwise, they're two distinct stories. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:53, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Good point about "Mr. Sandman", so assuming that they're not going to reveal how Nick gets back to normal, this ties it down quite well. Do the credits for the comic have something like "based on" or "inspired by"? This could suggest that NBC see them as two separate series. Dragonfighter1 (talk) 01:14, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

In "Volcanalis" Nick says that he has received an email from his mother saying she is in Europe and makes what he thinks is a reference to the coins. So if these events occur in season two then they must occur between "One Angry Fuchsbau" and "Volcanalis". Dragonfighter1 (talk) 00:28, June 17, 2013 (UTC)